There's a big difference about experiencing their design and removing something completely. They can have their dedicated servers where people can play vanilla all they want, AND have it setup so people can play on dedicated.

I'm not sure why I even care anymore to argue about this. Sadly, the IW that I knew back when the first CoD launched is dead.Posted at 8:12PM on Nov 6th 2009 by sicsided

Robert Bowling is a fucking bitch. How many times are they going to keep telling PC gamers same shit? What he's really saying is that because we're a minority compared to the Xbox players, what we think doesn't amount to jack shit.

At the end of the day, its fine with me though. I won't buy Modern Warfare 2 and the beta for Bad Company 2 will be out in December. By the time Infinity Ward's next game comes out they'll be nothing more than a speck on the PC gaming radar. Then, when all the fickle console gamers find the "next big thing" and abandon COD like they did with Halo, all the morons at Infinity Ward will be working at McDonald's cleaning up the ladies restroom. Posted at 8:16PM on Nov 6th 2009 by IRONFIST2

well i'm not getting it for pc anymore after this post and all the others its getting out of hand they dont care about the people that got them to their famePosted at 8:18PM on Nov 6th 2009 by yo

"We have 14 million players on Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. The hardcore gamers make up a smaller core of that, and PC gamers are the smallest group of that core. It is a very vocal community and they are all online."

In a nutshell, this represents how much IW doesn't understand its user base, or how gaming communities operate, or the potential ramifications of pissing off that "smallest group."

Yes, of the millions of CoD 4 owners, no more than a few percent of them are really hardcore on any platform - people who are active in clans, play in competitions, and log more time in CoD 4 than the vast majority of gamers log in all games.

But a much more significant slice of gamers _identify_ with these hardcore gamers, even though they don't _game_ like them. The ex-hardcores who reminisce about old clans, the STFU NOOB adolescents, the weekend warriors who watch videos of the game at work more than they play at home - they very closely follow hardcore gamers in every genre, and more importantly, they consider themselves part of hardcore gamer culture.

And they're predictable. When that tiny, loud hardest-core segment of gamers complains, these peripherally hardcore gamers listen. They are, or at least want to be, considered part of that community - even if these gamers aren't as directly affected by hardcore PC gamers, they empathize. They see IW turn on a community to which they're sympathetic and it doesn't look good to them.

Most of these gamers won't join the PC hardcore boycott. But IW is betting heavily that the game will exceed these gamers' expectations and override their concerns. If the game is good enough, then yes, the hardcore PC gamers ultimately won't matter, and their word of mouth will carry MW2 to its $750M of expected revenue.

But if MW2 falls short - and especially if it trips in the quality of online play or balance - those PC hardcore role models that IW calls a loud, insignificant minority will be ready, waiting and anxious to whip them into a frenzy. MW2 will still make hundreds of millions of dollars off preorders and launch-week and holiday retail sales, but new-copy sales on consoles won't last past December - the cool kids within the society will be trumpeting the next thing instead of ignoring it.

All of this PC-gamer PR hassle, the insignificant number of sales IW's already lost, and the preloaded negative word of mouth it's generated, already could be silenced by IW releasing dedicated server software. They'd silence it tomorrow if Bowling jumps out and says, "Dedicated servers a week after launch, guys! Sorry!"

Instead, they just keep dropping bags of crap on PC gamers (Bowling dumping on dedicated server operators, "stuff like mouse control," "PC gamers are the smallest") and laughing while they watch the firestorm because they already know that no matter what, they're all going to make a ton of money.

That's what it all boils down to - they don't have any reason to care because the check's in the mail. As long as they try to act like they do, they keep their jobs. Stockholders get their revenue numbers and everyone who matters goes home happy.Posted at 11:18PM on Nov 6th 2009 by ellepesh

so we all agree, we're all picking up the torrent as soon as this is availablePosted at 11:30PM on Nov 6th 2009 by Ricky Schroder

What will they think of next? Maybe they'll drop mouse and keyboard control all together, as only a minority of the players actually uses it? So next year we might be stuck with joypads for our shooters?Posted at 11:35AM on Nov 7th 2009 by marathi

Ok, so forget for a moment about the lack of dedicated servers or the "HOT EXCLUSIVE PC EXTRAS" like mouse support and text chat. Would you really want to play a game made by people who refuse to at least listen to the community about their game? Granted, there is a huge signal-to-noise ratio when it comes to players airing their complaints, but you can also see what did well and what areas of the game needs improvement. All this interview does is show that IW has their fingers in their ears and going "LALALALALALALALA WE'RE MAKING BILLIONS AND WE DON'T CARE LALALALALALA"

Actually, that could be said of most Activision developers right now. They've really gone downhill, and with the Blizzard merger, they're untouchable. Posted at 11:56AM on Nov 7th 2009 by johnfordcoley

Saying he doesn't know what their next game would be isn't dodging the question at all.Posted at 2:03PM on Nov 7th 2009 by FB

Xbox 360 so fucking a peice of horse shit compaired to pc, still can't believe what they are doing to the pcPosted at 5:45AM on Nov 8th 2009 by bob

Most pc gamers are on average 30 years old and probably have kids like me who play xbox. i know for definite my kids wont be getting the game besides me so hopefully there are other pc parents out there who wont be getting there kids xbox sales either.....Posted at 8:27AM on Nov 8th 2009 by Stepz

Wow I’ve been playing cod mp right from the early days and I can’t believe the decision to make the new and improved super sophisticated next-level mp of a brand new 2009/10 cod game a 9vs9 early 90's throwback!

I didn’t realise that the console versions were so far behind in terms of mp ability that it is not possible for more players than those involved in a Sunday league footy match at the park (11vs11!!!) to play against each other! 9vs9 the future? – don’t make me laugh! Why bring the pc version back 2 decades? Even 1987 MIDI Maze supported 8-a-side and that was the first mp 1st prsn shooter invented!

9vs9 – a more enjoyable and realistic experience – I’m in a warzone, I’m in Afghanistan where troops are organised into 30-man combat platoons, ‘REALISM’ = absolute minimum of 30 a side capability for those who want it! Got no problem with a 9vs9, hell a 1vs1 is all good if it turns u on! But as an OPTION not as the ONLY choice! - it sure don’t do it for me and my mates anyways!!

If I were chief: airstrikes and dogs would be dropped or at least limited CHRIST!, bigger maps + vehicles would be a must, age 3+ deathmatches would be banned, a proper system of rank would be implemented with single shot kills to the leg – lol becoming a thing of the past.. hold on... it just occurred to me... heard of Battlefield anyone? I may just be off 4good this time! - someone plz remind me why I’m gonna stick with Activision and its ‘next gen’ mp console raped game???
Posted at 3:15PM on Nov 9th 2009 by axeman

Who the fuck cares about PC gamers? Gaming on the PC is fuckin stupid anyway. Yeah like im gonna constantly update my computer just so i can play the new games, oh and then also pay the money for the game itself. Not to mention that an xbox is only $200 and its way more fun to play on a console anyway. And on a sidenote, when the fuck did anyone abandon Halo? Over 200,000 people play that game every night jackass.Posted at 11:33PM on Nov 10th 2009 by Jesse

@12: 200,000 people play Halo every day? Why havn't I met one? I know countless people who play COD:MW, CS:Source, TF2 and HON. Maybe I just know the wrong people. Then again, Halo players are quite infamous for being childish (using insults like "jackass" and being single-minded etc.).

I for one will not be purchasing COD:MW2 until the dedicated server support has been added. This petition is currently the most active and fastest growing one online. Check it out.
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/dedis4mw/Posted at 3:41PM on Nov 11th 2009 by phLOx

Man, this is sad.

Yes, PC players are a minority. Yes, we are a loud minority.

Tell me though, when that ever gave a developer the idea that it was okay to flat out lie to a community?

Look at the fiasco with MW2 being released early for consoles. When asked on Twitter, RB practically told the people who asked if they would be resetting the leader boards that they flat out idiots for thinking that IW would not address the issue. (Not his exact words, but his tone)

I'm sorry, but this has little to do with just the PC side of things. I simply do not understand where the idea that this condescending tone and bold faced lies would ever be accepted by any community be they PC or any console.

MW2 aside, I'll be hard pressed to ever believe anything to come out of the mouth of RB or whoever the next PR hype machine is that Act/IW hires.

I rid myself of this company wholely.

Posted at 4:30PM on Nov 16th 2009 by Dynati

I hope Robert Bowling gets shot. OOps, I'm sorry, was that the wrong thing to say? Seriously, I want to walk up to him, and the rest of IW and put a bullet in their shins, and laugh. Then shoot them in the other shin. This is ridiculous, I am so glad that within HOURS of this games release, people had cracks and torrents ready. They decided to be asses and betray the PC community, I say pirate the shit out of the game. PC gamers, DO NOT BUY THIS GAME! TORRENT IT! If they wont give us dedicated servers, We'll make our own, I guarantee there is at least 30,000 people working on this, either on their own or with friends. Yeah, we maybe a "loud minority" but we're barely behind the number of PS3 and Xbox gamers, so they can suck one for saying were a minority.... Wait, can we sue for them discriminating against us?

And who the bloody fuck at IW came in to work one day and said, "Lets remove the lean feature, and really piss them off" Whoever you are, I hope you choke. On a giant, throbbing, salty, veiny, male genital. And then be shot in the shins.

I wish TreyArch were here....

- Alle Dinen de hershaftenkrieger!
Gemini Of Sin.

P.s. If you'd like to join an outstanding community, with like-minded people who play a very grand majority of games, join us at: www.dwgamers.netPosted at 9:35PM on Nov 12th 2009 by GeminiOfSin

P.S.S. none of the Dominion Warriors endorses torrenting or pirating or what I said about shooting Robert Bowling's shins out... I still think its funny to imagine.

P.S.S.S. Still think its funny.Posted at 9:40PM on Nov 12th 2009 by GeminiOfSin

qe no mame qe se vayan a la verga pinches piedras falsas con el fierro los controlo.Posted at 12:14AM on Nov 16th 2009 by Alejandro